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Prophetic Accountability!

Jan 17, 2008 at 21:27

By: Steve Hill

Our recent article, "A Prophetic Word for 2008" generated more comment and was republished more than any other we have written.  Thank you all for your encouragement and trust in sending that word on to your friends!  However several asked for more comment on how we arrived at this place where the prophetic ministry is exempt from discernment, judgement and accountability.  

Let me begin with an overstatement but an overstatement which is too true to be dismissed!  One reason there is no accountability is that the prophets operate within a kind of club, guild, union which only has one rule- get published, get conferences, sell products.  If you do that you are in and you will be supported and covered by the others.  If it works (that is,  if it draws a crowd)- it must be God!   You do not question the other guy because if you do he will not invite you to his conference!  If you do not scratch his back, he will not scratch yours!

Do people start off this way?  No.  But something happens on the platform.  We force people to perform!  It seems to me that the New Testament set up for prophecy (like all ministry) was the home where folks would all share and all question everything!  Who dares question someone doing his thing in front of a crowd?  Especially if they are a "name"!  We simple do not have any framework to question.  

In 2006 a  well known person prophesied all across Canada that a same sex marriage bill would not pass.  When it did pass, they moved to the States.  I did not see or hear of a single question or call for accountability!  I did not see or hear any apology for getting it wrong.  The show must go on!

Recently friends in Holland gave me a refreshing example of respect for the prophetic ministry when they had another friend come to their community.  They value prophetic insight and questions.  They value the seer.  They asked my prophetic friend to spend a couple of hours with each of their leadership team to talk about their function, place and future.  After spending that individual time, they all gathered together for a meal and for a group discussion with the prophet.  That is a safe yet stimulating environment for the gifts of the prophet to be fully expressed and processed.  Well done friends!

However there is a another problem.  Remember the excitement surrounding speaking in tongues in the seventies?  Remember the excitement surrounding personal prophecy in the eighties?  In the nineties it was the manifestations of the Spirit plus angelic encounters and  prophetic experiences.  Since the beginning of the year 2000 we have seen an increase in talk of heavenly portals and third heaven experiences.The experiential component keeps increasing! 

I believe in the gifts of the Spirit, spiritual experiences and encounters with Jesus.  However, it seems to me that those in the New Testament happened as the men of old were on their way to their destiny.  They were on their way to serve, to suffer and to die for Jesus.  He came to them as they went.  Today people as seeking these sorts of experiences as an end in themselves and those who claim to have them are the superstars whether or not they have any Kingdom fruit!

The problem of "selling" religious experiences is this.  How do you get the folks who came to your last conference to come to your next?  What new thing do you have to talk about?  What new experience do you offer to them?  The problem about selling stuff is that you always have to have something new to sell!  This is basically new age spirituality where you become consumers of religious experiences with out obedience or moral responsibility.  

A problem with the personal prophecy stuff is how the leaders, their children and the others on the front row get most of the prophecies!  Why?  This becomes nothing more or less than "prophetic flattery".  I heard one prophet in the "green room" explain how he simply goes "deep into his spirit to say the nicest things possible".  I heard another say that one of the easiest ways to get to a pastor's heart and to get invited to his church is to "prophesy over his children".    Much of personal prophecy is flattery and has one purpose which is to create soul ties so that the prophet is invited back for another meeting and another honorarium.

Another way of saying this is that the prophetic ministry has become separated from the true apostolic ministry.  The prophets and the apostles are to be the foundation of the church.  They are to be first in pioneering new areas for the Kingdom of God.  They are to be the first in suffering, first in sacrifice, first in obedience.  These are not platform ministries.  These are plowing the field ministries.  

For some very sobering stuff you may want to look at Derren Brown- cold reading and Derren Brown- instant conversion on You Tube.

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Lindy, 01-12-09 04:09:
Jer 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Jer 23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
Jer 23:3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
Jer 23:4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Jer 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jer 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
Jer 23:9 Mine heart within me is broken because of the prophets; all my bones shake; I am like a drunken man, and like a man whom wine hath overcome, because of the LORD, and because of the words of his holiness.
Jer 23:10 For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth; the pleasant places of the wilderness are dried up, and their course is evil, and their force is not right.
Jer 23:11 For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD.
Jer 23:12 Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith the LORD.
Jer 23:13 And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err.
Jer 23:14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
Jer 23:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.
Jer 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
Jer 23:17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
Jer 23:18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?
Jer 23:19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
Jer 23:20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
Jer 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
Jer 23:22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
Jer 23:23 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
Jer 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
Jer 23:25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
Jer 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
Jer 23:27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.
Jer 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
Jer 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
Jer 23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
Jer 23:31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.
Jer 23:32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.
Jer 23:33 And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What is the burden of the LORD? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the LORD.
Jer 23:34 And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the LORD, I will even punish that man and his house.
Jer 23:35 Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother, What hath the LORD answered? and, What hath the LORD spoken?
Jer 23:36 And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.
Jer 23:37 Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath the LORD answered thee? and, What hath the LORD spoken?
Jer 23:38 But since ye say, The burden of the LORD; therefore thus saith the LORD; Because ye say this word, The burden of the LORD, and I have sent unto you, saying, Ye shall not say, The burden of the LORD;
Jer 23:39 Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence:
Jer 23:40 And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.

I guess that about covers it. Praise Jesus, He is Good.


Lindy, 01-12-09 04:18:
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

And,

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

So, we see that the church's love is waxing cold because of the false prophets and their iniquities.

Hold on little flock, Jesus is coming soon.

Your sister, Lindy

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